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Re: Question Reversing Threads? (Randy Cosby)
Date: 1995, Dec 30
From: Daniel M LaLiberte <liberte>

It would be fairly easy to reverse the order of the top level list, but it is not particularly easy with the way the code is currently written. It would probably be best to read in the whole list and then reverse it before printing anything.

But I wonder about the motivation for this. HyperNews is not particularly good for repeated visits to the same page just to find the new things. And a reverse order of all top level items just so the newest top-level items show up first, and encourages backwards reading, all seems rather discombobulating (sp?)

Helping people read just the new things was why the email notification was added a year ago, but it does require people to adapt to email.

Better than reversing the order would be a couple other ways to organize the presentation. First, any really popular page probably needs to be subdivided so that each page is more managable. For example, there are now a dozen different pages on HyperNews itself. Well the next problem is finding the right place to read and post. There ought to be an automatic list of related pages on each base article or something like that.

Another aid would be a date option, similar to what wired has in their "threads". There is already code in place to return only responses since some date, but it may be broken at the moment and there is no interface to use it. To make this really useful, users should not have to tell the system what date to use but rather the system would remember the last date the user reloaded the page, or something like that. A single date per user would not be too bad to maintain.

What email provides is a mailbox per person of things they have not yet read. This is better than remembering all the things each user has read, which can be much greater. We could provide the equivalent of a mail system in HyperNews. We would have to ensure that mailboxes did not get too large.

We really need a replication system in place soon, so that each replica manages the info of interest to users of that replica.

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1 Note: Another alternative.... by jap@tc.cornell.edu, 1996, Jan 02
1 Frames are cool by liberte@hypernews.org, 1996, Jan 02
2 More: Solution to annoynace from oldest-first order of responses by aphor@bradley.edu, 1996, Jun 04

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