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Keywords: attitude
Forum: Search and Rescue Information - Forum
Re: Idea professional attitude (irv lichtenstein)
Re: Feedback Hmmm... (Andy Hiltz)
Re: More not one specific group but an overall feeling (irv lichtenstein)
Re: Feedback About TFD's Dogs (David G. Costello)
Date: 1997, May 05
From: irv lichtenstein

Your clarification is welcome. The other posts from Florida indicated that the legislation as written was to eliminate volunteer resources as a legitimate resources.

There is also legislation in Pennsylvania that protects all law enforcement and SAR animals from attack or harrassment including dogs, horses, and probably search pigs if any team uses them.

I have dealt with both career and volunteer personnel for over 25 years now, mostly Philadelphia FD, some Reading FD. Many of the Philadelphia people were in it for the money, not the job. And any use of volunteer (or contract) resources that would endanger that job got worked over really hard. The Reading guys have less than 20 people per shift and work with the volunteers all the time as instructors, off duty outside Reading volunteers, or even on mutual aid.

Philadelphia has a drastic shortage in the EMS area. For a while it was proposed that the state licensed volunteer squads in the City be dispatched to cover calls (they all had paid daytime crews). The City would get the coverage for free and be able to add 3-4 stations in the Northeast where coverage was thinnest for free. The union reportedly filed a grievance and won. Volunteers cannot be used in Philaadelphia until all off duty personnel have been called in. We have had to sit and watch structure fires burn because the Phila. Bat. Chief on the scene would not accept help from the volunteers whose county line ran alongside the property and were there because they had been dispatched to the scene because the citizens thought the fire was in the county.

There is no love lost between volunteer fire and rescue personnel and the IAFF. Maybe your enlisted personnel need a new union image.

Irv Lichtenstein 215-233-3360 215-233-2343 fax

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1 Disagree: PLEASE by clmankin@p3.net, 1997, May 18

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